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For someone who apparently loves sarcasm, you don't seem to understand it very well. Why the downvote on the comment, chief?
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If that comment offended you in some way (I can't imagine how), I apologize.
Under ordinary circumstances, I'm certainly going to downvote a comment that promotes voting without watching the video for whatever reasons. While this should not include sarcastic reasons, sarcasm doesn't always translate over text, and I just flat out missed it this time. I'm going to blame an annoyed state of mind brought on by watching too many political videos, but in reality, I just dropped the ball on this one. My apologies for misunderstanding.
lithuanians and londoners use the double negative, but the BBC doesn't.
but...
i do think it is "uneducated" to speak only in your "mother" accent.
learn a different accent and use that for business. Why should business adapt to 10923782937 accents? that makes no sense. educate yourself, learn how to talk in the business arena. NOBODY is born talking business english, even "whites" have to learn it.
I sleep with a trilingual linguistics graduate, and i speak lithuanian (the most archaic indoeuropean language still alive) so you know, i get your point. but i think "tolerance" goes too far into the realm of "impractical" and "lazy".
I used to teach swimming, and i would use a posh correct english accent in the health club and a broad south london accent in the public pools in the rough neighbourhoods. Why not?
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I'm not against having a standardized vocabulary, spelling, or grammar. What was specifically the topic of the video that comment was a reply to was the uproar over a black teacher teaching kids that they were "uneducated" if they said "axe" instead of "ask." And it simply isn't true. It has nothing to do with education and everything to do with English having multiple dialects. And historically, the dialect spoken by white Americans has always been considered okay, regardless of how far from the supposed standard it is (which is why I brought up the Boston pronunciation of "car" as "ca-" and the non-existent Southern contraction "y'all") while the dialects of minorities such as Black Americans and Latin Americans has traditionally been frowned upon.
Thinking there is a standard English pronunciation is delusional. There are accepted standards (plural) of English, most of which are based on white, affluent speech. Now that English is an international language, however, that will surely change. Take India, for instance. They say things like:
"Open the air conditioner."
Instead of:
"Turn on the air conditioner."
Is it wrong? Not if everyone in India talks that way. As more countries embrace English and make their own personalized changes to the language you'll see less arguing about what is "educated" and "uneducated" English and more open acceptance of the fact that people who live in different places speak English differently--and get along just fine without needing "standard" English.
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i see nothing wrong with there being a "business english" standard, or "bbc english". Of course it's not ebonics or half spanish.
I learned Lithuanian to help me get work in Lithuania. I don't swear in front of new clients. I don't walk around talkin fakkin sarf landan aksent and insistin dat peeples rispek my rights, innit.
almost all jobs involve speaking to people, and therefore the way you speak is part of your job performance. What's wrong with that?
In the UK there was a trend for putting call centres in scotland because the scottish accent was judged to be the most trustworthy. What should I do, cry "discrimination!" and insist on more call centres in liverpool (an accent nobody can understand or trust)?
bear in mind i am not at all anti immigration, i just think that it's normal to have a separate language and etiquette for business, and there's no way that's going to be based on a fringe accent, it's gonna get melted down to "average".
People never used to say "gonna" on TV. Now they do. Things change. It's ok. There's many other ways to oppress minorities if that's what you want to do. Eradicating accent prejudice is never ever going to work.
I learned Lithuanian to help me get work in Lithuania. I don't swear in front of new clients. I don't walk around talkin fakkin sarf landan aksent and insistin dat peeples rispek my rights, innit.
almost all jobs involve speaking to people, and therefore the way you speak is part of your job performance. What's wrong with that?
In the UK there was a trend for putting call centres in scotland because the scottish accent was judged to be the most trustworthy. What should I do, cry "discrimination!" and insist on more call centres in liverpool (an accent nobody can understand or trust)?
bear in mind i am not at all anti immigration, i just think that it's normal to have a separate language and etiquette for business, and there's no way that's going to be based on a fringe accent, it's gonna get melted down to "average".
People never used to say "gonna" on TV. Now they do. Things change. It's ok. There's many other ways to oppress minorities if that's what you want to do. Eradicating accent prejudice is never ever going to work.
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One issue that no one has mentioned is the issue of power. When people talk about standard English in America, what they are usually really talking about is the English spoken by white, middle-class Americans. There's this unspoken assumption that if you don't speak like a white, middle-class American then you aren't educated. And that's really the tragedy of this story. Some of these kids might be capable of getting perfect scores on their SAT's but because they pronounce words differently than the minority group that is currently in power (white Americans) they'll be judged as somehow inferior on a job interview.
I just want to point out that there is no such thing as "standard English." There's British English, Australian English, Singaporean English, Indian English and a host of others. There's not even a "standard American English." There are many regional standards that have overlapping facets but still also have a lot of variation--the most important variation being pronunciation. Think about this--why is it in this clip the black children are considered uneducated for pronouncing ask as "ax" yet Boston children are not considered uneducated for pronouncing "car" as "ca-."
Just recently the started tossing the gun registration on the computer, but they still mostly do every thing by paper. Which amazes me.
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>> ^HadouKen24:
Louisiana state law does not require gun owners to have permits. You only need a permit for concealed carry.
Interesting. How do they track stolen weapons? If you don't have a bill of sale, I guess you'd just be screwed?
I did a little more digging into Louisiana gun law. Found this great link which designates procedures for law enforcement officers when seizing and disposing of weapons: http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=97862
The officers appear to have violated section D of the code here which requires them to return the firearm if they can't prove it was used in violation of any law. I think what New Orleans will argue in court is that there was in fact a law put in place by the mayor that effectively outlawed all firearms in the city. Of course, those suing will argue this is a violation of constitutional rights. However, I'm wondering if New Orleans will counter with the fact that it is perfectly constitutional to declare areas such as schools "firearm free zones" and that the mayor merely extended that zone temporarily to include the whole city due to the emergency.
That said I want to make sure that you read the post I left on that thread this morning, in case you see it later and are surprised by my tone. It might have been a sarcastic early morning post for me. Not sure now. I think this stuff must frustrate the hell out of you. (below for easy clikin')
http://www.videosift.com/video/New-Testimony-WTC7-Survivor-Barry-Jennings-Account
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I do remember the Maine. I also remember that it was not used by McKinley as one of the reasons for declaring war on Spain. He did, in fact, try to oppose the war but in the face of overwhelming public and political pressure eventually acquiesced into declaring war for the purposes of freeing Cuba. Now, were there individuals in the government who saw the war as an excuse to grab Spain's other colonies? Absolutely. But that isn't proof that they set up an explosion on the Maine to start the war. You would need eyewitnesses or physical evidence to be able to make a plausible accusation.
That's all I'm asking for schmawy. Proof. Evidence. Something more than conjecture or coincidence. Say, for example, explosive residue found at the WTC site. Or verifiable videos of WTC 7's interior completely undamaged until moments before its collapse. Or corroborative testimony from several reliable witnesses that matches up. Like in the vid we're talking about, what does this guy's buddy have to say about the whole incident? What about the cops and firemen that were supposedly there? Where's their testimony? Surely they all heard these explosions too?
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Remember the Maine, my friend.
http://www.videosift.com/video/My-Buddy-Commercial
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Your "My Buddy" vid appears to be dead.
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Oh Billy Dee... how the mighty have fallen.
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I'm amazed that no one's pointed out yet that the whole "Satan as a fallen angel" story is actually popular fiction mostly taken from Dante's "Inferno" and Milton's "Paradise Lost." It has very little Biblical basis, though people who want to believe the legend often twist interpretations of certain verses in the Bible (2 Cor. 4:4) to make it fit.
I think it's too bad they got caught up in this faux-theological debate, because Zimbardo's and Milgram's experiments clearly show that "evil" is something we are all capable of under the right conditions. I think if they had talked more about that, Colbert and Zimbardo would have agreed that determining whether the authority that you're obeying is acting ethically or not is extremely difficult when you're forced to make on-the-spot decisions. Like Zimbardo said, you need to be critical of why you're doing what you're ordered or expected to do. Otherwise you may wind up engaging in behaviors that seem rational at the time but in hindsight turn out to have horrific consequences.
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What utter garbage! This guy's a history teacher...
I just want to point out that there is no such thing as "standard English." There's British English, Australian English, Singaporean English, Indian English and a host of others. There's not even a "standard American English." There are many regional standards that have overlapping facets but still also have a lot of variation--the most important variation being pronunciation. Think about this--why is it in this clip the black children are considered uneducated for pronouncing ask as "ax" yet Boston children are not considered uneducated for pronouncing "car" as "ca-."